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refrigerator

Roe Ethridge, Refrigerator, (1999)
from Chapter 1: Observing the Ordinary
Interview

Refrigerator records the kitchen of photographer Roe Ethridge's childhood home in Atlanta, Georgia. Ethridge was born in 1969 in Miami, Florida, and received his B.F.A. degree in photography from the Atlanta College of Art. His photographs have appeared in numerous galleries, museums, magazines, advertisements, and album covers. He is currently teaching a course on photography at the School of Visual Arts in New York City. Ethridge lives in Brooklyn, New York, where this interview took place in January, 2003.

Ethridge shot the image with a 4 x 5 view camera and two strobe flashes positioned so that the light bounced off the ceiling.


S&W3: What was the origin of this piece? What prompted you to shoot it?
R.E.: I was commissioned by the New York Times Magazine to go to Atlanta and document refrigerator doors. I photographed ten different homes there. I was looking at refrigerator doors as a kind of vernacular, a decorative area like a frame for ephemera and memories. This is my parents' refrigerator in suburban Atlanta. But it's almost identical in every house. The same kind of information shows up on each refrigerator: kids' drawings, letters, refrigerator magnets, little stories, all kinds of kitschy things that seem to express the unconscious values of the owner. When there was a family involved, the fridges were much more chaotic. They seemed to tell life stories. On the other hand, one friend had a brushed-aluminum sub-zero refrigerator and he had one pristine landscape photograph hanging off a suction cup device so that it wasn't marring the fine finish, as if to say, "We don't junk this modern marvel."
S&W3: When you look at the photograph now, do any of the objects stand out to you?
R.E.: For some reason I always notice my mother's sunglasses on the right-hand side of the photograph. I don't think she wears them anymore; they're out of date. All other suburban mothers seem to have that same weird set of purple-tinted sunglasses. But the main thing that sticks out in the photograph is my dog Lucky. He passed on two years ago. That's probably the most emotional detail. The refrigerator as an object is interesting, but the objects and the details on the edges of the image are almost more interesting to me. I could have gotten closer to the fridge or zoomed in on the details, but seeing the object in context and using the edges as a device was a way to form the composition. I didn't crop the photo in printing; this is a full-frame photograph.
S&W3: Did you use any additional light?
R.E.: There are two strobe flashes bouncing off the ceiling that create fake ambient light. It projects up onto the ceiling and bounces back down, creating a downward-projecting light that imitates lights on the ceiling. It looks like a natural light situation but also fills in shadows so that you can see all the detail. With this kind of 4 x 5 camera, the amount of detail is sometimes what makes the picture interesting. It's a 4 x 5 inch sheet of film and a very sharp lens that allows every detail to be articulated. You keep going into the image and you can even read the text. The small piece of paper on the right-hand side of the refrigerator says what a housewife's salary would be in 1986 if she got paid for all the jobs she did. It's actually covered now with something else, since my mom saw the picture and was embarrassed.
S&W3: Where has the piece appeared and how was it received in different contexts?
R.E.: One of the unusual things about photography is that an image can slip between an editorial, art, and commercial piece. The piece never ran in the New York Times Magazine, but I wound up showing the piece an art gallery as an artwork, and later the image was purchased for an advertisement.

An advertising agency saw the photograph in my commercial portfolio and wanted to purchase the image to use for an ad for a home-organizer product, something like a giant Palm Pilot for the kitchen. I wasn't comfortable using the photograph for the ad. There is so much personal information: pictures of me and my sister, mom and dad when they were in college, precisely what they were interested in because it signified some kind of disorder that their product would help organize. So we allowed them to use the picture, but we took out all the personal information. We wound up measuring the freezer and refrigerator panels, getting two equivalent sheets of aluminum and dressing them up with tons of refrigerator magnets. We faked typical family stuff, exaggerating it a bit, shot [it], and then they digitally dropped the panels into the scene. So they wound up with generic family stuff instead of my family's. Lucky remained in the shot.
S&W3: Have you photographed other parts of your childhood home?
R.E.: I've shot just about everywhere in my parents' house. I just shot down in the basement. My mother uses the basement as a holding area for everything. So we've got an antique store — more like a thrift store — of things that we've bought at garage sales or things that are broken that we can't get rid of. There is half-finished, peeling wallpaper and a pool table that you can't see because it's covered with stacks of things. My parents have only seen one picture of a close up of a bow. My mother's horrified that I'm showing the world our little secret mess.

The ability of photographs to function in different contexts becomes almost like a little bit of the burden of photography. It's great that it can do that, but sometimes it's hard to make judgments about images because they're so contextual. It's a nebulous area.
S&W3: How do you look to make art out of the ordinary?
R.E.: In some ways it has to do with medium. I'm not the first person to take pictures of the mundane. Immediate details are important in image-making in general, as is the record of accumulated possessions. Artists like Duchamp or [Giorgio] Morandi took ordinary things and made them into massive objects. [See an example of Morandi's still life at MOMA.]

The nature of the large format photography lends itself to still objects. The scrutiny that is able to happen with that size lens and that much information is irresistible in terms of making and reading the image. It has a seductive power to transform something like a Kleenex box — an object that you'd walk pass a hundred times and wouldn't notice. Somehow with light bouncing off the object [and] recorded onto film, it turns into this other kind of thing. Recording the ordinary is also a documentary record of what things look like. That's important.
S&W3: In 2000, art critic Bennett Simpson wrote that you are one of the first photographers to make the distinction between art and commercial work redundant. How does your creative process change based on the context in which the photograph has been commissioned
R.E.: I definitely have intentions; there's usually a reason that I'm photographing. To be honest, in the past few years, there have been very few images that have been able to do it. [Make the distinction between art and commercial work redundant.] There have been editorial assignments that have turned into artworks, that I thought were successful enough to cross over. Even with the agility of images, it doesn't mean they actually wind up in multiple contexts.

At the time that was written there wasn't too much of it going on. Photographers like Wolfgang Tillmans and Philip Lorca DiCorcia were doing both commercial and artistic photography without using a pseudonym. I suppose I was self-consciously intending to frustrate people a little bit, to apply pressure to the sore area in terms of the preconceptions about the differences between art and commercial photography. At this point it's not really that important to me. You just persist and continue making interesting work. You try to get commercial assignments but your artwork is what you have to pay attention to the most. It's the work I feel most responsible for.

Other assignments are collaborative. There isn't a single advertising image that I've worked on that hasn't been absolutely collaborative. With the client, art director, or whomever may be musing for you. Just because your name is on it doesn't mean it's yours. It's the same case with editorial work. If there's style, it's more directorial — everyone performs for the piece. There's more individual accountability with art projects. You hope that someone eventually buys them, but no one is paying you to take the pictures.
S&W3: You have photographed musicians such as Fischerspooner and Andrew W. K. for their album covers. . . .
R.E.: I have had a long-term collaboration with Fischerspooner. They have used the work in every possible way; they've done considerable postwork on the images and then have had them enlarged to 40" x 50" prints [for] which they had an exhibition. They use the images for CD covers and posters. That's a perfect example of work that doesn't fit neatly into any category because the use is not predetermined. K.C. Spooner will just say, we need to get some new pictures. We'll loosely go over an idea, get a studio space. He'll get the clothes and I'll get the equipment and an assistant. Then we'll improvise and play off ideas that we've both had. So all the realizations of those images are collaborative. It liberates some of the pressure and I can just technically play and see, for example, what happens to the image when there's only that one really strong film-noir lighting, or what happens when you flatten it out and have light all over the place. It can be fun; it can also be frustrating. Collaboration means compromise and you have to let some things go.

I also did the album cover for [U.S. rock singer] Andrew W. K.'s album I Get Wet (2002). [The photograph shows Andrew W.K.'s face smeared with blood. View the album cover on VH1.] The photograph was shot with the intention of it being an album cover and then the project was put on hold when he was signed by a different label. I really liked [that image] as an art image. It was a really pop image, something that would arrest the attention. In a way, it was contrary to my other pictures which were much more mundane. That picture set up an interruption of a singular reading of my work as a group of images. So it worked in a gallery sense and then Andrew got signed to a new label, made an album, and then the image was all over the place.

self-portrait

Roe Ethridge
Untitled (Self-portrait)
(2000–2002)
S&W3: One of your self-portraits was included in "Hello My Name Is... Introduces Young Artists Through Self-Portraits," a Carnegie Museum of Art exhibition in Pittsburgh (2002) and in galleries in New York City. What is it like to have a self-portrait up on a gallery wall?
R.E.: I think people get a little over-excited about self-portraits. For me that image was initially documentary. I wanted to get a record of an actual black eye I had. It looked fake, with all sorts of crazy colors. We're so skeptical of things that look too artificial or created. I wanted to make a record of it and I didn't think about it much after that. When someone at the Carnegie asked if I'd show the picture, I hesitated at first and it took two years for me to get away from the self-consciousness of that kind of an image. But now it is out of the vault and it exists as an artwork. It helped change the reading of the work that was in the show because it had a kind of irony that people enjoyed - a photograph of a photographer's eye. Like the Andrew W. K. album cover photograph, it was another piece that could interrupt the other images. It gave a different reading to the landscape of the images in that show.
S&W3: What tips do you have for students who don't feel they have an eye for photography?
R.E.: One easy place to start is to observe the context of the image. Where is it happening from a more objective point of view? Is it a magazine, a billboard? Is it selling something, is there some sort of moral objective? You don't have to be reading the images or experiencing some sort of emotional, visceral response. It's a way of breaking it down that doesn't involve the poetics, an analytical approach to looking at the material that makes you more aware of how much we edit the visual information we receive.

Sometimes it's a series of more tangential, contradicting, learning experiences that somehow add up. You might watch the movie Blow Up — loosely based on sixties fashion photographer David Bailey [or] Eame's Power of Ten. It helps you think about photography and its fluid movements, the frame closing down and zooming in.
S&W3: Do you have any recommendations for compelling pieces of writing on photography?
R.E.: There are so many. There's a great excerpt in Richard Prince's new book. Read his personal statement at the beginning of the book. It's a nice looking object: half of the page is typed, the other half is handwritten. Read also Cartier-Bresson's Notes on the Cinematographer. He's not talking about still images, but the language and the spirit of the piece are inspiring.

Lewis Baltz makes the claim that photography occupies a very narrow but deep divide between cinema and literature. The narrative components of film and literature can happen in photography, the relationships between the images. In a film, the images are locked into a chain. I like to think of that as a kind of touchstone for photography. The images are linked whether it's in a book or a gallery — whatever the frame may be. It has a lot to do with the relationships between pictures. [I try to] interrupt the objectivity and distance that was in some of my other photographs and introduce some kind of problem into a clear reading.
S&W3: So on some level, there exists a movie of every photographer's body of work?
R.E.: It would be a very short movie if you put it all together in a filmstrip. At twenty-four frames per second in film? Mine would be about three seconds right now.
S&W3: What else would you like students to know about your work?
R.E.: Photography ultimately never stops moving along the spectrum between the specialist and the dilettante. On one hand, everyone knows how to take a picture. You don't even need to know how to take a picture to take a picture. At the same time, it can be the most overwrought, specialized technical form. There's something about that conflict there in my own work. The dilettante is there, and the specialist is there, too.


- Christine McQuade, January, 2003


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